{"id":13941,"date":"2020-01-08T15:30:34","date_gmt":"2020-01-08T15:30:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogadmin.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/?p=13941"},"modified":"2026-06-04T13:06:40","modified_gmt":"2026-06-04T12:06:40","slug":"true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour","title":{"rendered":"The Two Popes:  A Vatican Guide Breaks Down Truth vs Fiction"},"content":{"rendered":"\r\n<p>The resignation of Pope Benedict from the Papal office in 2013 didn&#8217;t just make headlines, it made history.<strong> For the first time in over 600 years, two popes were alive simultaneously<\/strong>. A pope had resigned of his own will &#8211; a shocking event that hadn&#8217;t happened since 1294.\u00a0 And, for the first time ever, the Vatican became home to two popes.<\/p>\r\n<p>Based on the play <em>The Pope<\/em> by Anthony McCarten, Netflix&#8217;s<em> The Two Popes<\/em> focuses on the <strong>encounters between Cardinal Bergoglio, later Pope Francis (Jonathan Pryce), and Pope Benedict XVI (Anthony Hopkins)<\/strong> in a series of meetings before the latter\u2019s resignation.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Much has been made of the historical accuracy (and inaccuracy) of the film and scenes of the two men sharing pizza and drinking Fanta have sparked debate. So we spoke with <strong>Vatican Walks\u2019 guide Camilla Mastrangelo<\/strong> to get a sense of the story behind the film.<\/p>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_13891\" style=\"width: 1610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13891\" class=\"wp-image-13891 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/The-Two-Popes-Location.jpg\" alt=\"filming of the two popes on location in rome, italy\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/The-Two-Popes-Location.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/The-Two-Popes-Location-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/The-Two-Popes-Location-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13891\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The two Popes in question stroll Castel Gandolfo, inside the Papal Palace and around the beautiful Barberini Gardens.<\/p><\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_80 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<span class=\"ez-toc-title-toggle\"><a href=\"#\" class=\"ez-toc-pull-right ez-toc-btn ez-toc-btn-xs ez-toc-btn-default ez-toc-toggle\" aria-label=\"Toggle Table of Content\"><span class=\"ez-toc-js-icon-con\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg 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href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Representing_historic_figures_on_screen\" >Representing historic figures on screen<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#How_accurate_is_The_Two_Popes\" >How accurate is The Two Popes?<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Fact_vs_fiction\" >Fact vs fiction<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#How_was_Pope_Francis_different_in_real_life\" >How was Pope Francis different in real life?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-6\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Did_Pope_Francis_really_try_to_resign\" >Did Pope Francis really try to resign?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-7\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#What_about_the_dialogue_in_The_Two_Popes\" >What about the dialogue in The Two Popes?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-8\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#The_Two_Popes_True_Story_FAQ\" >The Two Popes: True Story FAQ<\/a><ul class='ez-toc-list-level-3' ><li class='ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-9\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#What_is_The_Two_Popes_movie_about\" >What is The Two Popes movie about?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-10\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Is_The_Two_Popes_based_on_a_true_story\" >Is The Two Popes based on a true story?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-11\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Were_Pope_Benedict_and_Pope_Francis_really_friends\" >Were Pope Benedict and Pope Francis really friends?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-12\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Why_did_Pope_Benedict_XVI_resign\" >Why did Pope Benedict XVI resign?<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-3'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-13\" href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/true-story-behind-the-two-popes-interview-tour\/#Can_you_visit_locations_seen_in_The_Two_Popes\" >Can you visit locations seen in The Two Popes?<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Pope_meets_pope\"><\/span>Pope meets pope:<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Representing_historic_figures_on_screen\"><\/span>Representing historic figures on screen<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p><em>The Two Popes<\/em> aims to show the importance of opening up a dialogue between opposing sides with a focus on the human similarities between the two leaders. <strong>It&#8217;s a strikingly relevant theme at a time when opinions are becoming so divisive<\/strong>. So it should come as no surprise that the two men&#8217;s characters form a vital part of the story.<\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n\r\n<\/p>\r\n<p><em>&#8220;Of course, they have two very different personalities; they are two very different men,&#8221;<\/em> Camilla says. <em>&#8220;On one side we have a conservative man, like Ratzinger and on the other a man of the future, a man who grew up in a completely different environment &#8211;\u00a0 Bergoglio, who is now Pope Francis.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_14079\" style=\"width: 1610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14079\" class=\"wp-image-14079 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Copia-low-new-di-POPE_Unit_14352-1.jpg\" alt=\"A still image from the film The two Popes showing Jonathan Pryce  who plays Pope Francis and Anthony Hopkins plays Pope Benedict sitting and speaking to each other \" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Copia-low-new-di-POPE_Unit_14352-1.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Copia-low-new-di-POPE_Unit_14352-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Copia-low-new-di-POPE_Unit_14352-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-14079\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">In the film, Jonathan Pryce plays Pope Francis and Anthony Hopkins plays Pope Benedict<\/p><\/div>\r\n<p>\r\n\r\n<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"How_accurate_is_The_Two_Popes\"><\/span>How accurate is <em data-start=\"1379\" data-end=\"1394\">The Two Popes<\/em>?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Fact_vs_fiction\"><\/span>Fact vs fiction<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p>In the film, they&#8217;re portrayed as two sides of the same coin, but the acting goes a long way towards creating a convincing depiction.<\/p>\r\n<p>Camilla notes, <em>\u201cJonathan Pryce has the same expressions and a similar voice [as Pope Francis] and, while Anthony Hopkins doesn\u2019t look identical to Benedict, he gives a great performance. So you can really enter into the distinct personalities of the two men.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Indeed, one of the most intriguing aspects about the Vatican for Camilla has always been the characters of the popes and the people behind the titles. She explains:<\/p>\r\n<p><em>&#8220;It\u2019s fascinating to learn about the personalities of the popes &#8211; what they did and who they were &#8211; because they were human beings as well. Like Alexander Borgia who was known for so many scandals or Pope Paul VI who was known for modernising the church.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<p><em>&#8220;In the past, the pope had to wear a crown. But of course, when you see somebody wearing a crown they look more like a king. It makes them less approachable. So Paul VI decided, no more crown let\u2019s use a little white hat. Those little things are fascinating, little things that make the pope more human.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_14080\" style=\"width: 1610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14080\" class=\"wp-image-14080 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/POPE_Unit_10803_rgb-1.jpg\" alt=\"Another still from the film, with Anthony Hopkins as Pope Benedict playing piano and Jonathan Pryce playing Pope Francis looking on\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/POPE_Unit_10803_rgb-1.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/POPE_Unit_10803_rgb-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/POPE_Unit_10803_rgb-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-14080\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Another still from the film, The Two Popes, showing a more personal side, away from the public eye<\/p><\/div>\r\n<blockquote>\r\n<p><strong>Insider tip:<\/strong> Interested in the locations behind the film? Check out our article about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/art-culture\/the-two-popes-vatican-locations\">The Two Popes filming locations\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"How_was_Pope_Francis_different_in_real_life\"><\/span>How was Pope Francis different in real life?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">In <\/span><em style=\"font-size: 16px;\">The Two Popes,<\/em><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\"> Pope Francis is shown to adopt a simpler lifestyle than a traditional pope, but how much of this is true and how much was written for the film?<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p><em>\u201cFirst of all, he\u2019s a Jesuit and that\u2019s very different,&#8221;<\/em> Camilla explains.<\/p>\r\n<p><em>&#8220;Pope Francis became the first Jesuit pope of the Catholic church when he was elected in 2013. Then choosing the name of St. Francis &#8211; like St. Francis of Assisi, the saint of the poor &#8211; is also important, as it represents his aim: to be humble, to be more like the poor, and more like Jesus. He doesn\u2019t wear expensive shoes like the previous popes, instead, he wears very normal shoes. Sometimes you even see him without the white hat.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\">\r\n<div id=\"attachment_14081\" style=\"width: 1610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14081\" class=\"wp-image-14081 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Jonathan-Pryce-as-Pope-Francis.jpg\" alt=\"A still from the film The Two Popes, with  Jonathan Pryce playing Pope Francis wearing black and red robes\" width=\"1600\" height=\"1067\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Jonathan-Pryce-as-Pope-Francis.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Jonathan-Pryce-as-Pope-Francis-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/01\/Jonathan-Pryce-as-Pope-Francis-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-14081\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Jonathan Pryce as Pope Francis<\/p><\/div>\r\n<\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>But Francis&#8217; pared-back lifestyle extends beyond clothing.<\/p>\r\n<p>As Camila describes, &#8220;<em>He became known for favouring modest vehicles, including a Ford Focus, rather than the luxury cars traditionally associated with papal travel. <\/em><\/p>\r\n<p><em>He doesn\u2019t live in the grand papal apartments, where the pope has lived for the past 200 years.\u00a0<\/em><em>He chose to live in a modest suite within the Casa Santa Marta guesthouse rather than the traditional papal apartments. <\/em><\/p>\r\n<p><em>He also speaks in a way that everyone can understand &#8211; very simple, very easy. And that appeals to people. You can tell when you go to St. Peter\u2019s Square on Sunday or on Wednesday during the audience. The people love him.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_21025\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-21025\" class=\"wp-image-21025 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Pope-Francis.jpg\" alt=\"A smiling Pope Francis greeting adoring fans while riding in the pope mobile in Rome.\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Pope-Francis.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/03\/Pope-Francis-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-21025\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A smiling Pope Francis greeting adoring fans while riding in the pope mobile in Rome<\/p><\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Another key change to the pope\u2019s lifestyle in recent years is the fact that he is no longer using <a href=\"https:\/\/www.villepontificie.va\/en\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Castel Gandolfo<\/a> as his summer residence.<\/p>\r\n<p>According to Camilla, it&#8217;s surprising because that was the first time a pope had ever done this.\u00a0<\/p>\r\n<p>&#8220;<em>The previous popes would always go to Castel Gandolfo during the summer holidays. During his pontificate, Pope Francis chose not to use the summer residence of Castel Gandolfo, preferring to remain in the Vatican. His decision allowed the Papal Palace and gardens to be opened more extensively to visitors.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<blockquote>\r\n<p><strong>Insider tip:<\/strong> Read about <a href=\"https:\/\/walksofitaly.com\/blog\/uncategorized\/pope-francis\">how Pope Francis changed the Vatican<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/things-to-do\/castel-gandolfo-pope-summer-palace-rome\">how you can visit Castel Gandolfo!<\/a><\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_13917\" style=\"width: 1610px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13917\" class=\"wp-image-13917 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Rome-Castel-Gandolfo-Popes-Residence-Tour-2x3-0010.jpg\" alt=\"castel gandolfo, the pope's residence with sprawling gardens\" width=\"1600\" height=\"900\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Rome-Castel-Gandolfo-Popes-Residence-Tour-2x3-0010.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Rome-Castel-Gandolfo-Popes-Residence-Tour-2x3-0010-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/12\/Rome-Castel-Gandolfo-Popes-Residence-Tour-2x3-0010-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13917\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Castel Gandolfo, and its stunning gardens are well worth a visit.<\/p><\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Did_Pope_Francis_really_try_to_resign\"><\/span>Did Pope Francis really try to resign?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>One of the tensions the film centers on is the efforts of Bergoglio to resign. But did this really happen? Yes and no.<\/p>\r\n<p>One of the rules stipulated by the Church is that cardinals must offer their resignation at 75 to the pope, who can either accept it or decline it. Whether or not they met privately in person before Benedict\u2019s resignation in 2013 (as depicted in the film) is up for debate.<\/p>\r\n<p>Because cardinals do not need to submit their resignation to the pope in person, most have assumed that the meetings depicted between Benedict and Cardinal Bergoglio did not take place. However, according to Camilla, it&#8217;s plausible.<\/p>\r\n<p><em>&#8220;Apparently it\u2019s true that he went to Rome ahead of his retirement, and there were rumours that these meetings happened. We don\u2019t know for sure. Do I think they ate pizza, or watched the World Championship? Probably not. But if he did go, the gesture to come to Rome to resign is very meaningful.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Interestingly, after he took office, Pope Francis changed the rule that non-cardinal bishops serving in the Vatican would now also offer a resignation rather than losing their posts automatically, as was previously the case.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"What_about_the_dialogue_in_The_Two_Popes\"><\/span>What about the dialogue in The Two Popes?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>As a film that centers on a series of meetings, the dialogue takes centre stage, and this was an important aspect for both McCarten and director Fernando Meirelles to get right.<\/p>\r\n<p>Many of the theological and philosophical positions expressed in the film are drawn from real speeches, interviews, and writings by Benedict XVI and Francis, although the private conversations themselves are fictionalized.<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Best summed up as a faithful picture of an imagined encounter, from Camilla&#8217;s perspective, <em>The Two Popes<\/em> serves as a very accurate representation of a unique situation.\u00a0<em>&#8220;Being here in Rome surrounded by the Vatican, the pope, and the Catholic religion for my whole life, I can say it\u2019s very well done &#8211; and very realistic.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\r\n<p>\r\n\r\n<\/p>\r\n<blockquote>\r\n<p><strong>Insider Tip:<\/strong> Visiting the Vatican soon? <a href=\"https:\/\/walksofitaly.com\/blog\/vatican\/visiting-the-vatican-tips-and-mistakes\">Check out our do&#8217;s and don&#8217;t&#8217;s for your trip here!<\/a>\u00a0<\/p>\r\n<\/blockquote>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_13093\" style=\"width: 2010px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13093\" class=\"wp-image-13093 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/The-Vatican-Museums-on-the-Pristine-Sistine-with-Walks-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1333\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/The-Vatican-Museums-on-the-Pristine-Sistine-with-Walks-1.jpg 2000w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/The-Vatican-Museums-on-the-Pristine-Sistine-with-Walks-1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/10\/The-Vatican-Museums-on-the-Pristine-Sistine-with-Walks-1-1536x1024.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2000px) 100vw, 2000px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13093\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bring the historical and cultural context of the Vatican to life on a guided tour.<\/p><\/div>\r\n<h2 data-start=\"1799\" data-end=\"1848\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"The_Two_Popes_True_Story_FAQ\"><\/span><strong data-start=\"1816\" data-end=\"1848\">The Two Popes: True Story FAQ<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\r\n<h3 class=\"\" data-start=\"1881\" data-end=\"1923\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"What_is_The_Two_Popes_movie_about\"><\/span>What is <em data-start=\"1893\" data-end=\"1908\">The Two Popes<\/em> movie about?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"1924\" data-end=\"2054\">The movie dramatizes the relationship between Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis during a pivotal time in Catholic Church history.<\/p>\r\n<h3 class=\"\" data-start=\"2059\" data-end=\"2106\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Is_The_Two_Popes_based_on_a_true_story\"><\/span>Is <em data-start=\"2066\" data-end=\"2081\">The Two Popes<\/em> based on a true story?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"2107\" data-end=\"2225\">Yes, the film is inspired by real events, though some dialogue and scenes are fictionalized for storytelling purposes. The movie accurately portrays the personalities and historical context, but invents some private conversations.<\/p>\r\n<h3 class=\"\" data-start=\"2384\" data-end=\"2441\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Were_Pope_Benedict_and_Pope_Francis_really_friends\"><\/span>Were Pope Benedict and Pope Francis really friends?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"2442\" data-end=\"2547\">While they shared mutual respect, their friendship as depicted is partly dramatized for emotional impact.<\/p>\r\n<h3 class=\"\" data-start=\"2727\" data-end=\"2766\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Why_did_Pope_Benedict_XVI_resign\"><\/span>Why did Pope Benedict XVI resign?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"2767\" data-end=\"2868\">Pope Benedict XVI stated that his advancing age and declining strength made him unable to carry out the demands of the papacy effectively.<\/p>\r\n<h3 class=\"\" data-start=\"2552\" data-end=\"2606\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Can_you_visit_locations_seen_in_The_Two_Popes\"><\/span>Can you visit locations seen in <em data-start=\"2588\" data-end=\"2603\">The Two Popes<\/em>?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"2607\" data-end=\"2722\">Many of the real locations featured or recreated in the film can be visited, including Vatican City, St. Peter&#8217;s Square, and Castel Gandolfo. Some interior scenes, however, were filmed on carefully constructed sets rather than inside the actual Vatican buildings.\u00a0<\/p>\r\n<div id=\"attachment_21301\" style=\"width: 1210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-21301\" class=\"wp-image-21301 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/vatican-library.jpg\" alt=\"A large room with vaulted ornate ceiling and columns inside the Vatican library.\" width=\"1200\" height=\"900\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/vatican-library.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/vatican-library-768x576.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-21301\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A large room with vaulted ornate ceiling and columns inside the Vatican library.<\/p><\/div>\r\n<div class=\"\" data-turn-id-container=\"00b726e9-7596-4e19-8a4d-129028b00882\" data-is-intersecting=\"true\">\u00a0<\/div>\r\n<div class=\"\" data-turn-id-container=\"request-6a0da788-7bf8-83eb-a229-413335a8534a-5\" data-is-intersecting=\"true\">\r\n<section class=\"text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none [&amp;:has([data-writing-block])&gt;*]:pointer-events-auto R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]\" dir=\"auto\" data-turn-id=\"request-6a0da788-7bf8-83eb-a229-413335a8534a-5\" data-turn-id-container=\"request-6a0da788-7bf8-83eb-a229-413335a8534a-5\" data-testid=\"conversation-turn-268\" data-scroll-anchor=\"false\" data-turn=\"assistant\">\r\n<div class=\"text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-3 [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm\/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg\/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)\">\r\n<div class=\"[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg\/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group\/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn\">\r\n<div class=\"flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow\">\r\n<div class=\"min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal outline-none keyboard-focused:focus-ring [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-1\" dir=\"auto\" tabindex=\"0\" data-message-author-role=\"assistant\" data-message-id=\"2b7c5780-3fb8-4edf-b42f-adf304bc6714\" data-message-model-slug=\"gpt-5-5\" data-turn-start-message=\"true\">\r\n<div class=\"flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden\">\r\n<div class=\"markdown prose dark:prose-invert wrap-break-word w-full light markdown-new-styling\">\r\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"543\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\"><strong data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"543\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\">If <em data-start=\"5\" data-end=\"20\">The Two Popes<\/em> has inspired you to learn more about the people, places, and traditions behind the story, there\u2019s no better way to experience them than in person. <\/strong><\/p>\r\n<p data-start=\"0\" data-end=\"543\" data-is-last-node=\"\" data-is-only-node=\"\">From the Sistine Chapel and St. Peter\u2019s Basilica to the rich history of the papacy itself, our Vatican tours bring the world portrayed in the film to life. Whether you choose our original Pristine Sistine tour or an exclusive after-hours experience, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.walksofitaly.com\/vatican-tours\/\">our Vatican tours<\/a> with expert guides will help you uncover the fascinating stories behind one of the most influential institutions in history.<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<\/section>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<p class=\"\" data-start=\"2607\" data-end=\"2722\"><strong>We hope to see you soon!\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The resignation of Pope Benedict from the Papal office in 2013 didn\u2019t just make headlines, it made history. For the first time in over 600 years two popes were alive at the same time. For the first time since 1294 a pope had resigned of his own will. 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